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SModcast 43

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SModcast is the meandering palaver of a pair of dudes whose voices are so dull, they don’t deserve to be on the radio (and, hence, aren’t). Kevin Smith and Scott Mosier are SModcast.

The best thing about SModcast? It don’t cost nothing.

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SModcast 43: SMorpheus -

In which our heroes discuss SMod after death, and then descend into the Matrix to determine the reality of PodBabies, post-pod love, virtual weight loss, the power of a crappy life, and whether the virtual world makes a man happier.

[CONTENT WARNING] SModcast features harsh language and even harsher notions of propriety. Listener discretion is advised.

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89 Responses to “SModcast 43”

  1. Declan Says:

    Yaaaay!!! Long live SMod

  2. Mark Basham Says:

    You’re question about reproduction in the matrix annoyed the hell out of me. It’s a far future human farm, why would they need to harvest sperm and eggs instead of just create a child from the genetic data of the 2 parents. My thought on it anyway, weird that this conversation would be the only thing to prompt me to make a reply so far…

  3. Gordon Shumway Says:

    I think if you have a baby in the Matrix it has to be real. Neo was once a baby, everyone in the Matrix was once a baby, and they are all able to take the pill and wake up in the real world…

  4. shaunxgrine Says:

    HA AH HA AH HA, i know this doesn’t really say much but, i love smodcast,and kevin smith.(and friends.)

  5. nate Says:

    First!

  6. brian lasalle Says:

    god i hate the matrix!

  7. Andrew Says:

    aww yeah…fuck yeah

  8. Aratoo Says:

    Brilliantly funny as always! Thanks for the show, guys.

  9. Darren Wright Says:

    The mighty return of SModcast! Good to have you back guys.

    Its good to hear that if Scott did die then Kevin would make with the questions real quick right after admonishing him for talking stupid! I am a ghoooosssttt! Wooo!
    Quality stuff yet again!

  10. Darren Wright Says:

    2 comments? Thought my first one didnt register. Must be the archaic computer Im using. Old technology, the bane of my existence!

  11. Chris Says:

    First off I love Smodcast. This week’s discussion about the Matrix prompted some thought so here it goes…
    Using Kevin’s premise that the “Tubes” are hooked up to Mosier’s junk for reproductive purposes necessary to the continuation of the human farming conducted by the machines, it is my thought that the matrix using the “relationships and sexual encounters” of those in the matrix to provide the ingredients needed to create more human beings. If Scott and Alex become pregnant and have a child in the matrix it would make logical sense in the long run for the system to use their (Scott and Alex’s) sperm and egg to create the child. I say this because the child itself will be connected to the matrix and will need an identity. If we recall Keanu’s character Neo was born in the matrix however his minds perception of himself was remarkably like his real self. Using his experience as a rule it would then be safe to say that a black child in real life sitting in one of those pods would be black in the matrix, therefore at least some degree of sorting would be needed otherwise when couple of a specific ethnicity have a child in the matrix and it shows up being a different race it would probably create discord for those individual minds. This does not even bring into account the myriad of hereditary factors such as hair and eye color, and general appearance. So again if for no other reason than to placate those minds in the matrix I believe that the child created would indeed be Scott and Alex’s child.

  12. Matt Says:

    Awesome. I love the Smodcasts and you guys are very generous to entertain us for free — things like the Smodcast are what set you apart from the generally soulless Hollywood community.

    Thank you again.

  13. April B. Says:

    Pretty entertaining this week. I really dug Mosier’s gohst impression. I was listening to it on the bus, some of the people my bus think I’m pretty weir when I’m laughing. But it’s all worth it.
    I really liked the talk about The Matrix I thought the line “They had fuck.” was hysterical. But The Matrix will never top the Harry Potter episode, I love the Harry Potter series and you and Mos talking about it made it all the more enjoyable. Always good though. Thanks for another good one.

  14. Marble Says:

    Thank you guys!
    I get pretty depressed but whenever I listen to SModcast I come right out of it, especially when its a new one. Big smiles on my face and hysterical laughter, something compleatly uncharacteristic that only you two can bring me… Makes people think that I had just gotten laid.
    Well. SModcast. Better than sex!

  15. Matt Fuller Says:

    SModCast is the best part of my week.
    thanks Kevin and Scott!

  16. Tezzle Says:

    Here’s my theory:
    The parent’s obviously don’t actually have sex outside the matrix, since they’re both in pods God knows how far apart from eachother. Sicne the computers *grow* babies, they just program the matrix to make her pregnant, but she’s really not. The same goes for the fetus’s point of view. It would appear to itself that it was inside the mother’s womb, and within the matrix it would be.

  17. Icelandic heart collector Says:

    Thanks SMod boyz - you rock!

  18. Chris s Says:

    I think that the machines follow everything that a person does and when two people meet and have sex they connect the pods of the couple and inject the sperm and egg into the goo that they are living in and the machines sustain the fetus in the goo but the program follows the nine months of pregnancy and applies the descisions of the “parents” to the baby in the far off pod as it grows older to simulate learning and growth in the real world.

  19. Henrik Says:

    Scott Mosier sounds like the most pleasant and polite person you could ever meet.

  20. Chris Says:

    Individual consciousness is created in the brain by selectively discarding unused neural pathways until what is left becomes the shape of that person’s individual mind, almost like carving a sculpture from a block of wood. So a child would have to have its consciousness shaped from birth rather than downloaded at a certain age. So it would make sense to assign a new individual to an existing human parenting unit.

  21. Tighearnan Noonan Says:

    Could ya do another smodcast with mewes in it please.
    He’s so funny. Heres an idea= get Scott , Walt , Brian and Jason all in for like the best smodcast to come :):):)

  22. moosatov Says:

    Can’t wait till iTunes release. Can’t it be sooner? Not a week exactly, but couple of days?

  23. thequickerstop Says:

    There’s a book called “Taking the Red Pill” but I don’t remember who wrote it. Ii think it goes a little more into the religious aspect but I think that it does answer some of the questions that were raised.

  24. Julien Says:

    Hey. This shit rocks. I haven’t listened to it yet, but I’m sure it’s good. Has anybody bought any signed stuff from the site? is it just some crappy stamp signature or like an authentic Sharpie signature?
    Cheers.

  25. Jason Says:

    Did I really just listen to two guys I don’t know talk for an hour about a movie I haven’t seen?

    Something is wrong with me…

  26. Kether Says:

    I’m actually a little surprised you decided to speak about the Matrix in this week’s podcast, although I was pleased to see it as I am a very big fan of the movies (all of them).

    I’m such a fan mostly because of the multitude of questions spawned from the trilogy, similar to those you digested in the podcast. The matrix can be viewed in fairly simple terms as well as a richly deep tapestry of philosophical queries.

    But none of those questions are as entertaining as talking about Matrix fucking and making babies in a virtual setting. A pleasure to listen to as always guys, keep it up. Peace.

  27. Davy Jones Says:

    What is the song at the beginning of this smodcast…

  28. UncaScroogeMcD Says:

    Madness - “NW5″

  29. Sam Says:

    Ahhh, FINALLY ringing the New Year with a new SModcast… Starring Kevin Smith and Dead Mosier!

  30. chris Says:

    well there were children in the matrix that were awaken, cause they had mentioned that they normally only wake up children because they are more likely to accept the concept of the matrix since they have more open minds, and there were children bending forks and floating cubes and shit in the old ladies house

  31. Sam Says:

    Doesn’t ANYONE remember the shot of the ant-like machines checking over the fetus pods? Right before the bigger machine sucked the artificial womb up into the storage space?

    That AND the tubed up baby they placed in the empty pod, sealing it up and beginning to fill it with that goop?

    Sorry to say Kev, that’s TWO scenes that kill the “virtual baby” theory, twice, in the FIRST movie!

  32. Philip Says:

    Worst. SModcast. Ever.

  33. Brian Says:

    Just discovered your Podacst. Been listening to many before - and I have been shooting a documentary about the New Media Revolution for three years. You guys are great. I’m a couple years older than you - but even though I was enjoying your show so much - the bit that put me over the top was the Six Million Dollar man and GI Joe bit. The day before - I was just talking to my best friend about this - and Referred him right away to your podcast.

    Keep it up. This has been great entertainment between walking the WGA picket lines and shooting videos for United Hollywood. Thanks again.

  34. Robert Says:

    Best discussion I’ve heard in ages. But some of Kevins statements did annoy me (sorry Kev).

    They can have babies outside the matrix. There were main characters from the first film who wernt unplugged and had been born in zion.

    They cant change there appearence in the matrix, Neo asks why he still looks like himself, and Morpheous calls it ‘residual self image’. You know what you look like so your brain projects that image in the matrix.

    And yeah, if babies where just programs, you would not be able to wake them up, but then after a certain time no one would be left. Unles you do what kevin said and grow people till they were 20 and ‘input’ memories. But why do both? Why not do what scott mentioned and just grow a kid from the mothers egg and fathers sperm, ‘give’ that kid to them in the matrix and let them raise it. Its not like it will instinctivly know its not real, why the need for memory inputs?

    Anyway, awesome podcast, keep up the good work guys.

  35. Kid Amanda Says:

    Just wanted to say that i do thoroughly enjoy your endless rants. I just really wish that scott would lay off of the “right,right,right” comments whenever kev is talking. Please stop the insanity!! It drives me fucking crazy. You should keep a “right” count. Better yet, have a fucking contest. can scott say right more times in a show than Britney says “like” in an interview? like i totally think so. Much love! you sexy beasts rock!

  36. Danny Says:

    The number of pods wouldn’t reflect how many people have lived, but rather how many people are alive currently, so there would be roughly 6 billion pods in total. And it is possible for the person in Pod 1 to be the same age as the person in Pod 8,000,002 because when someone dies their pod is taken by someone else, most likely a new born baby. And I’d assume that they have empty pods on hold to accommodate the steadily growing population.

  37. SD Says:

    Additionally, the humans are not being harvested to power the Matrix. They are being harvested to power the machines that populate the world. The Matrix only exists so the machines can generate power to survive, since the sun is all blotted out and all. With super smart AI you would think the robots would have figured out a way to un-blot out the sun, cuz then they could just kill all of the humans and not bother fucking around with the matrix.

  38. G Says:

    if you recall they say that when you die in the matrix, you die in real life, so, those are the ones that become the food of the others, now, for the kids, they probably use cloning or some type of in vitro technology and the physical appearence is based on code sent to the parents… i think it’ll be something like this: you are born, inside a lab or something, and you become aware of yourself, there you give yourself a Physicaal appearence and thats the one they send to your parents, and that could be the explanation for the pregnant time (you spend 9 months developing a look) and for there your look will depend on your choices.

  39. Gene Quagmire Says:

    This was the Jersey Girl of SModcasts. Can’t wait for the next one.

  40. PoonDockTaint Says:

    I like the idea of sperm & egg being extracted from the actual parents inside “The Matrix” because I imagine some doc brown / rube goldberg contraption devised to manually masturbate males for artificial insemination.

  41. Jeff Foulsham Says:

    Kevin and Scott, you are my heroes. can you maybe do two a week? i listen to smodcast while i sleep and i have listened to all of the about 9 times! gahh! so, if you could find it in your heat to do 2 a week, that would be fantastic. plus i think all of your other listeners would love it too.

  42. StevieAnalbag Says:

    love the smodcasts guys BUT I was bothered because all I was waiting for was one of you to say, well, we were once babies, and we’re not programs, so obviously when you have a kid in the matrix it’s real, otherwise when your parents did the dirty and had you, you would be fake… that is, going by your logic that when you have a kid is it real or fake? the answer, you guys were kids once, now are you real or fake? that would eliminate everything you talked about in the smodcast, and the cast bothered me cuz thats the first idea I had, hahaha, but great job, I listen every week

  43. Peter Says:

    I love you guys; and your podcast are great. This one was (like the Harry potter-cast pretty dull. I’ll of course listen to again and again however. Keep up the good work. I hope the film is going well. Peace.

  44. Satmac Says:

    The matrix warrior by jake Horsley will answer any questions who have

  45. Someone Unimportant Says:

    It started out decently, Ghost Mos and what not, but then the Matrix talk and the amount of said content sucked. Worst SModcast to date in my opinion. On the bright side, you can’t hit a home run every time though, so the next one will be a step back towards the light. P.S. Release a SMod every Monday, I become disheartened when I show up to work, ready to listen and there isn’t new material to start off my week.

  46. Bob Says:

    I’ve been prompted to interject a little sanity into this thread. First off its a movie. Just like in Jaws, analyzing why the shark eats the boat instead of going after far easier prey, it only makes sense when you say its a movie. Now If I were to extrapolate on the movie science, No the woman is not pregnant, no the baby is not actually made by the two people. There would be no reason for it. The residual self image or RSI is how they explain that people look different in the matrix. As is the case with adopted children, if you stick a kid in with two parents, tell the kid they are related, the kid will buy it. However if I contradict myself here you would have issues of race, if the baby has a residual self image, a black baby would still be black. So is the Matrix segragated, it would make sense, like a giant filing system. A machine depends on logic and order, so it would only make sense that the people would be ordered. I do agree with another poster I really doubt the machines are giving cyber scott a hand job to stick into cyber alex. It would be through some kind of test tube process. There are far too many variables in human pregnancy, to deal with live birth. Now my question is this, If the woman is pregnant in the matrix, do her breasts swell, does she put on a few extra pounds. The body can’t live without the mind, and there is a physiological component to that process. If you have sex in the matrix I would assume that the body would react the way it does during a wet dream, and you would be spraying down the inside of your pod.
    One last thought, if the remains of the dead are liquefied and fed to the living, wouldn’t that lead to the disease cannibals can get from eating human flesh?

  47. marxmith Says:

    I always figured that it was Scott’s theory. That they combine the genetic material from two people in the Matrix and create a child, then they assign the child to those people. Also, perhaps fat people don’t metabolize the “nutrients” provided by the Matrix and grow fat in real life.

  48. Josh Says:

    I listen to you guys every week. I really dig the show and will continue to be an avid listener. Also can’t wait for Zack and Miri to drop.

    Quick question for Kev though: I really do love every aspect of what it is you do, but something that always kind of leaves a sour taste in my mouth is how you sell a lot of set props and stuff on eBay. Obviously if you can make another buck on the side, by all means. But in my modest opinion, I think it comes off as a bit money-hungry. It’s not just that though. It has to do with not being able to get into an event unless you buy your book, etc. What’s with, man?

  49. FatD Says:

    The Matrix is among the finest trilogies of our time.

    Behind the Star Wars (I, II, III) and Terminator trilogies.

  50. Patch Says:

    You may have to do a sequel to this smodcast. There is just so much to talk about with the idea of podbabies, or as they shall now be dubbed smodbabies, that can’t be covered in just one cast.

  51. kayla Says:

    if what you do in the matrix effects what you do outside the matrix like dying then chances are what happens is you have a relationship you get pregnant in the matrix then it would happen in real life like scott says they have tubes hooked up. then genetic material is then used to create a child would be born hooked up to the machine then the circle of life continues.

  52. Anthony the jurno Says:

    Please sir I want some more. God bless SModcast

  53. PoonDockTaint Says:

    I don’t know… in the first Matrix flick, they show that scene where babies are harvested. I like to think that genetic material is extracted from both parents, but I don’t think women actually get pregnant since they showed the baby harvest.

  54. PoonDockTaint Says:

    This brings up an interesting question… okay, so what if Neo enters the Matrix via the nebuchadnezzar’s pirate signal and drops it in some broad. Neo’s body is no longer physically in one of the pod things, so the machine world couldn’t harvest his sperm or anything, but he’s hacked in and dropped some sperm-code into a woman in the Matrix. Would that woman get pregnant, and would the child be half Neo?

  55. Raven Says:

    Matrixs is the most stuped movie I have ever seen….
    The best movie I have ever seen was your mom haha

  56. SteveDave Says:

    It would be more convenient if Kevin were to pass on, as Scott Mossier cast would not need to be renamed. Not that I wish you ill Kev.

  57. mlcsmith Says:

    If Neo went out in the matrix to get a bit of slo-mo humping action I don’t think that he’d be able to get the girl pregnant because of the fact that he is no longer plugged in. It is like he’s had the snip, nothing makes it through the tube and the matrix would know that so the girl couldn’t get pregnant.

    I’m with Mosier that the babies are real. The matrix is built on the grounds that humans don’t accept the ideal, they only accept the shitty ‘real’ world, so a fake baby wouldn’t cut it. Plus in terms of energy generation a baby’s mind is just so active growing up that I wouldn’t be surprised if they made more energy than an adult.

  58. Bruce Says:

    First off the Matrix is a system designed by machines. Machines are precise tools for humanity. These machines broke their programming and became “alive”. It’s very hard for me to accept this premise based on personal experience with robotics. Have you ever tried to break a habbit, good or bad? It’s freaking hard to break some habbits like smoking or drinking or hookers. Now imagine your habbit is a genetically implated imperative, such as pulling your hand away from the intense heat of a fire. Possible to do but bad as freak for you. Now try to teach yourself to stop your heart from beating. Try to teach yourself to breath using only one lung. Teach yourself to only digest the food your body needs and nothing else so you can be skinny. Impossible. It’s the same for a computer program or a robot. Machines are created by man. Man will always be dominant over them because we decide what they do, who they are, and what each and every response to each and every situation will be. A program or machine that doesn’t do what it’s suposed to do would be fixed or replaced.

  59. Travis Hill Says:

    Hey! Love SModcast, have since Episode 1 (Fisting Flipper, not that Phantom Menace BS).

    Just wanted to let everyone know that I put together a Flash MP3 player that will play all of the SModcasts. If you want to check it out or put it on your MySpace profile, here’s the link:

    http://www.the-convo.com/ismod.htm

    Hope everyone enjoys it!

    Travis Hill

  60. Mike D Says:

    If you have a bad gas problem and fart like crazy in the matrix does it stink up your pod in real life?

  61. NEO Says:

    I KNOW KUNG-FU?

  62. Jimmy Says:

    Ok, this is such an easy answer. Clearly, the people in the pods would be clones. Not all a clone of one person, but clones of many different people. It explains everything. So there is no need for the machines to harvest sperm or eggs.

    SModcast rulz.

  63. PoonDockTaint Says:

    Nah, it wouldn’t stank up your pod ’cause you’d have a rod in your poop chute to carry the gas away. Heh!

  64. Cajun Dave Says:

    A smod-tastic voyage indeed!

  65. Average Scotland Says:

    So, another week to wait for the next instalment?

    I’d presume so, as you’re filming now.

    how depressing that you have something to do.

    and i don’t.

  66. Peter Says:

    Does Anyone know who sang the cover to Power of Love towards the end of Smodcast 43?

  67. UncaScroogeMcD Says:

    The “Power of Love” cover is by Pigeon Detectives

  68. Jonah Says:

    has any one els started using the term
    “Metal” to describe stuff?
    like instead of “wow thats cool”
    its “wow that fuckin’ metal”
    or if you like get a small cut on your hand and wipe the blood on your friend
    and than you tell them “i’m fuckin Metal man”
    god i love smodcast

  69. mrak Says:

    omg wot is teh matrox?

    etc.

    x

  70. Brian Says:

    I have to say, I love Kevin’s imitation of Malcolm.

  71. will Says:

    i just got my signed action figures from the site and they are fucking AWESOME

  72. Ninja Ned Says:

    Just curious- will smodcast frequencies be reduced now that filming is underway? I could understand that free time to sit down and record them would now be harder to find…

  73. Jeff Foulsham Says:

    just like average scotland said… what a bummer it is when you guys have stuff to do and we dont :(

    hurry and finish the movie so we can see it and have more smod!

  74. Danny Says:

    No SModcast this week… are you guys dead or something?

  75. Bones Says:

    This is in reply to the dude asking about Smith selling props over eBay and people not being able to get into an event unless they buy his book –

    Kevin Smith works for a living. He makes movies, he writes books, he does appearances, etc. He, like anybody else, is out to make money so that he and his family and live in comfort.

    He isn’t your friend. He isn’t gonna let you into an event just to hang out if you aren’t gonna buy something. He isn’t gonna invite you over for a couple beer and a private screening of Clerks — just you, him and a couple buddies with burritos.

    It ain’t gonna happen. Once you realize he isn’t your friend you’ll realize how pointless your question was.

    PEACE! WE OUT

  76. Scott W. Says:

    Read Boring Ass Life, notice how the updates vanish during shooting? I would rather have the dynamic duo staying up late editing ZAMMAP than SMODing. Can’ wait.

    Time to re-live those wonderful SMODS from the past.

  77. catbeller Says:

    First: thermodynamics says ya can’t power a machine from waste products from a machine. That’s called a perpetual motion machine, and it doesn’t work. You can’t remove more energy from the coppertops than it would take to keep them alive.
    Second: You can’t remove energy from a human body. We don’t manufacture much electricity, and its restricted to nerve inpulses. Take it away, we die. Ditto heat. Remove heat, we die.
    Third: The SF point of the Matrix series wasn’t about the machines and the humans. The tip off is Neo’s bookshelf, and the book he hid his warez in: it’s about reality really being a computer, a popular and accepted part of the theory of quantum mechanics. The universe exists as a giant computation, at a fundamental level. Particles and energy exist in a giant dance of reality and unreality. Fascinating stuff, and the scientists mean it. The movies really are about how you never can really tell if you are in a “real” world: is the “real world” computing the reality where the machines think they are keeping the humans as generators, or is the reality created by the machines JUST as real as the “real” world, if both are computations? That’s the kicker of the whole flick, but Americans, um, don’t read… few noticed the titles of Neo’s library. Hell, having read the books, he could have created his own reality with the Matrix and all. Hell, he was almost asleep in the first scene of the Matrix. Maybe he slipped through different layers of computed realities, into one where thermodynamics don’t matter. OR - we only know about the coppertop business from Morpheus. And he was shown to be wrong about a lot of things. And the Oracle was a liar with it’s own purposes. Everything you think you think you know is wrong… maybe.

  78. Dr. Fate Says:

    Hello,

    Mr. Smith and Mr. Mosier you guys are amazing, you are SModcast! I am very grateful for what you have given and created … its funny and entertaining! Although, If you guys discontinue the SModcast … thats cool, you have already given so much … although, I truly wish and hope that you do not.

    LONG LIVE SMOD!

  79. Mikki Says:

    I’m a big fan of SModcast, so first of all. Thanks!
    2nd you mentioned that you’d like to know Wachowski brother/sister/siblings. It might be easier to get in contact with Sophia Stewart who wrote “The Third Eye” which is where the brothers supposedly stole the idea.

  80. Natalie Says:

    kevin

    if you thought 2 girls 1 cup was bad

    try hatchet vs genitals
    you’ll never be the same again
    lols
    enjoy

    p.s. LOVE smodcast
    get your wife on another episode
    =)

  81. Phill Says:

    haha hillarious as always

    I think I’m gonna have to agree with Scott on the debate of why the world is the way it is and not “a perfect world”. I think, with the power being pulled from the mind, the mind would have to be funtioning as normally as is possible with the body being hooked up to tubes and stuck in a pod and all. so, to keep the mind normal, the person needs to think they are in a normal world.

    missed not having smodcast this week, but I’m sure the small sadness of smodcasts being skipped will be worth it once I’m watching ZAMMAP in theatres. keep up the fuckin awesome work (because hearing good work just gets boring after a while)

  82. Phill Says:

    to the dude who made the iSMod thing, the embed code doesn’t work on my myspace. idk why not, just letting you know.

  83. Travis Hill Says:

    Thanks for the heads up on the broken code Phill. I have fixed the problem and the iSMod is now fully operational.

    HEAD ON OVER TO:
    http://www.the-convo.com/ismod.htm
    to get the fixed embed code and put SModcast on your websites, profiles, etc.

    Have fun with it sirs and sirsettes!

    Travis

  84. Travis Hill Says:

    Just FYI — The iSMod code has been fixed. Head on over to:
    http://www.the-convo.com/ismod.htm
    and grab the new — and working — embed code for your myspace page!

    Thanks for the heads up Phill!

  85. Gillian Says:

    Im getting the shakes here.. first steps of addiction. I need a new Smodcast asap, or Zac and miri make a porno to come out really soon!

  86. Travis Hill Says:

    Kevin popped into the VA boards earlier and let us know that the latest episode was being mixed by Ken earlier today. As soon as he gets it done, I’m sure he’ll get it up for us to devour like the rabid dogs we are.

    If you start having withdrawals, you could always check out the Ken P. D. Snyde-cast…QSE’s Ken and Dana Snyder, the voice of Aqua Teen’s MasterShake argue and bicker for half an hour. It’s great entertainment, especially for us ATHF fans.

  87. Scotch Says:

    Gotta love the Maddness in the background.

  88. Pyro Says:

    love the smodcasts you guys do, when’s the next one due?

  89. Jeremy K Says:

    Getting away from the whole baby debate, when you take the red pill they flush you, right? Why? The machines have to know what is going on one would presume… They are just providing more grunts for the army they are trying to destroy.

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