Matrix trailer

[DarthMaulRat]

I'm not kidding, I've been watching this trailer forwards, backwards, in slow motion, and I just keep on watching it. Watch it with sound off, and you can see how well edited the trailer actually is. Words don't describe the potential of this movie.

Get it here. (http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_cmp/trailer_final_frames.html)

I realize a bunch of you already know about this, but I can't stay silent. And I realize special effects don't make a movie, but all I can say is holy [censored]! I think I need to go into a load program and reinstall my bowel control.

One problem: What's with the castle/mansion at the end? It strongly contrasts with the whole trailer. Even if its a big part of the movie, it's just too weird.

[Adam_Poch]

I have no clue about that castle.
While I enjoyed the first Matrix, I didn't think it was the greatest action movie ever. This one seems to really up the ante and is starting to get me excited about it.

[Squall91]

I love the trailer so so much.

[Razorback]

I absolutely HATED (and still hate) the Matrix. HATED, HATED, HATED IT! I can't believe it is a popular movie.

However, I watched the trailer for this new one and it seems a little more interesting. So I will catch it when it comes out. Hopefully it won't be the same "great for really stupid people" movie that was the original.

RB /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

[BrianLynch]

MATRIX is only great for stupid people? That's weird and wrong.

[Michael_Crawford]

Actually, RB, I've found that stupid people usually don't get the full plot behind the Matrix, and therefore don't enjoy it. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

The trailer looks...interesting. I have fears about the CGI work in some places, particularly the way overblown 99 Smiths battle, but we'll see...at least I feel better about it than the Hulk film. Let the arguing begin!

Michael
MWC

[DarthMaulRat]

Go read the 'Philosophy of The Matrix' part of the official site. Its undeniable proof that the movie is not just for 'stupid people'. It also shows the amazing genius that is the Wachowski Bros. Their source material is honestly religious text, and their movie is practically a modern day parable.

The essays there will really twist your mind and give you a deeper respect for philosophy and famous philosophers.

Perhaps the site's description does the most justice:
"...all of the essays share the aim of giving the reader a sense of how this remarkable film offers more than the standard Hollywood fare. In other words, their common goal is to help show you just "how deep the rabbit-hole goes.""


Oh yeah, also the 99 smiths battle isn't entirely CG. They did hire a ton of extras with certain height and build requirements to make it easier on the FX people.

[soundnfury359]

There's been a lot of talk about The Matrix as the Jesus movie, which adds a whole other level to it. I don't think the stupid could comprehend that.

As for the trailer, damn. Does anyone else think The Matrix is the new Star Wars?

[Aquasol]

I don't think it's fair to say that a movie is only good if you meet X description (in this case, being stupid). Just because you didn't like the Matrix and you don't consider yourself stupid doesn't make it the rule of thumb.

Yes, the Matrix was very special effects-y. Yes, it's easy to get people to ooh and ahh over special effects so as to distract them from the fact that there's nothing else there. Style > substance, right? However, I think the Matrix is an exception to that. I think it had a lot going for it in terms of plot, and although Keanu Reeves isn't the world's greatest actor, I think he did a more than decent job in this movie. Besides, who else could even be Neo? David Cross?

[DarthMaulRat]

Heh, heh, heh.

Good ol' democracy. You try to push against the majority, but all you get is a tidal wave of hostility.

Still, stupid people? When I saw The Matrix, alot of the less intelligent went for piss breaks during the explanations and stuff on the ship. These are the same people who stay glued to their seats in order to see what other fluffy, shrapnel-less explosion would puff out of nothing during Ecks Vs. Sever.

[Razorback]

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Actually, RB, I've found that stupid people usually don't get the full plot behind the Matrix, and therefore don't enjoy it

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It is a movie created for pseudo-intellectuals to wax poetic about its "meaning". Anyone who sits there and dissects the gobbledygook of the dialogue and comes to the conclusion that it is some epigrammatic poem about the world is, with all due respect, silly.

"There is no spoon." Barf.

I don't care if people love the Matrix or anticipate the new movies the way some people long for a great sexual experience... but don't give me this "don't get the full plot" crap.

A baby could "get the plot" if it was written on a napkin in Sanscript.

RB

[Aquasol]

Good God, there's a movie to pick on. Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever -- 90 minutes of arbitrary explosions with a few scenes of bad plot thrown in to (unsuccessfully) break the tedium.

[Razorback]

You got me there.

RB

[soundnfury359]

Isn't that part of great filmmaking? To create something simple enough that morons can enjoy it, but make it deep enough that intellectuals can debate about it? I really don't see why you hate The Matrix so much, but hey, its a free country.

[Razorback]

I will give you that the Matrix is visually great in areas. The action is cool... but as an intellectually stimulating film experience it makes me ill. I think I have over-explained my position.

RB

[DarthMaulRat]

Well put. I'd add some more defense but I don't want to start thinking real hard about abstaract concepts and talk in celluloid metaphors in order to bitch about somthing.

Instead, what would you consider an intellectually stimulating film?

My 2 cents would be Wag the Dog.
Sure, its not that deep, but it does weave some interesting political concepts that try their hardest not to weigh the film down as comedy.

[Dr3vil]

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It is a movie created for pseudo-intellectuals to wax poetic about its "meaning". Anyone who sits there and dissects the gobbledygook of the dialogue and comes to the conclusion that it is some epigrammatic poem about the world is, with all due respect, silly.

RB

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Actually, I highly recommend The Matrix and Philosophy, a collection of essays from top Philosophy writers and teachers about the implications of the world exposed in the Matrix.

What reason at all do we have to believe the world exists? That other people aren't simply hallucianations made by electrical signals in your brain, or worse, mere perceptions made by your actual receptical of stimuli which bears zero resemblance to a corporeal body.

What do you do, what moral guidelines may you follow if the only existance may be yourself, or at least with others who exist very differently from the way you do now.

Are you dreaming right now? What if you woke up? These are questions we often have as children that we leave, not because they are answered, but we are taught not to ask them.

Those who dismiss questions about their own existance as frivolous are usually just afraid to answer them. With your personal choices you continually define how you exist, without even the slightest regard to if you exist. Existance is an assumption we need to function in the world, but whether we trace those assumptions to critical analysis or an arrogant, dogmatic need to exist is of importance.

Aside from that, nearly all philosophical viewpoints (existentialism, buddhism, Nietscheism, utilitarianism, Kantianism) are displayed in the story (as outlined in the afforementioned book), so there there may be more to the "gobbledygook" of a high-octane action story than at first meets the eye.

[Demosthenes]

I enjoyed the Matrix, but it was pretty much just an action movie. I could dissect Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey and say that somehow the fact that Pam Grier was actually George Carlin says something about the way we see transvestites in our society, but who cares. If a movie makes you think for a few days after you see it, then it's intellectually stimulating. Otherwise, it's just a movie.
And hey, I'm not attacking people who like the Matrix either. I loved it, and want to see the new one as bad as any other fan of the first movie. I watched the documentaries on the DVD and looked at the website. But it's just a cool action movie with some interesting stuff to think about. And that's prety much it.

[Razorback]

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Actually, I highly recommend The Matrix and Philosophy, a collection of essays from top Philosophy writers and teachers about the implications of the world exposed in the Matrix.

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First, I have read a few of the essays. A friend of mine is a Matrix nut (I feel so sorry for him) and he wants me to BADLY love these movies (not going to happen... at least with the first). I remember reading one by someone named.. Charmer (I think that was the name) and Michael McKenna's essay about "absolute freedom" (and freedom in general). I have not taken on this task of hating this movie lightly. I have researched this hatred. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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What do you do, what moral guidelines may you follow if the only existance may be yourself, or at least with others who exist very differently from the way you do now.

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You are preaching to the choir here... I am with you. However, the Matrix is not a good vehicle for this message because despite its pretenses, it is an ACTION movie that strips away its ideology with a quirky story-line (the Matrix knows who Neo is... so why not kill his body before it escapes?).

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Those who dismiss questions about their own existance as frivolous are usually just afraid to answer them.

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This logic reminds me of something a history professor of mine said:

"If people knew the reality of war they would not support it."

So I said, "But what of those who know the reality of war and support it?" He had not considered that... he just liked to hear his own mini-philosophy without questioning it.

Perhaps people are not afraid of "the answer". Maybe they just don't care.

Anyway, while the axiom of the Matrix is thought-provoking the package (at least for me) is only wrapped in the pulchritudinous (I have wanted to use that word in context for so long, so forgive me). /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

RB

[Razorback]

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Instead, what would you consider an intellectually stimulating film?

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Off the top of my head (in no order):

Brazil, Donnie Darko, Mullholland Drive, Memento, The Usual Suspects, Schindler's List, Citizen Kane, Adaptation, Rear Window, The Pianist, Requiem For A Dream, American History X, The Manchurian Candidate, A Clockwork Orange, The Insider, Network, Life of Brian, Taxi Driver, The Killers, Gosford Park... I could go on. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

RB

[Tuskinashi]

As I've said to friends: The way this movie looks I don't care what they do to the story. I know visual effects don't make a movie.. but DAMN. This movie deserves 8 bucks just for the eye candy.

I loved the first movie.. and I did understood the plot. The problem was it just wasn't spooky/thought provoking enough to make me use my brain afterwards. Some people take the plot of it very seriously and love it to death. Me.. I just see it as something to keep the visual, sexy, eye candy in order. :P

I will definently be seeing the next few ones. Not on opening night though.

[Outer1]

I'm sorry but Requiem for a Dream is NOT an intellectual movie. It's just a 90 minute acid trip without the acid. They only thing I wanted to talk about after seeing that was how bad it was.

[Razorback]

You can have that opinion... you are wrong but you can have that opinion. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

RB

[Omaru]

well the game looks impressive too just a shame there's already games ripping off the various effects like devil may cry and shinobi. looks set to be a good tie in with the film, film might be okay but I still want to see how they forget that neo is "the one" cause a fight with 99 agent johnsons? why not just jump into them all and make them explode!!

[Razorback]

The game might be interesting... I watched the trailer for it and it could be fun. I wonder if it will be Mod friendly... if it is then I should probably get it for the PC. Otherwise, XBOX.

RB

[Firestone2489]

I can't believe people are lurking in this thread still.

[marksiwel]

MATRIX is only great for stupid people? That's weird and wrong.
I miss you monkey man!